Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA

On Monday, Todd continued the discussion about how Obama could win the electoral votes needed for the Presidency without some of the more traditional "big states," and quoted this story:

At a fundraiser held at a Washington brewery Friday, Plouffe told a largely young crowd that the electoral map would be fundamentally different from the one in 2004. Wins in Ohio and Florida would guarantee Obama the presidency if he holds onto the states won by Democrat John Kerry, Plouffe said, but those two battlegrounds aren't required for victory.

But as Todd notes, this discussion isn't new. And the take-away isn't that Obama is pursuing a single-path strategy - he isn't. The conclusion is that Obama's team has a multi-contingency plan - including paths to victory that don't require wins in Ohio and Florida.

But a new Quinnipiac University poll conducted June 9-16 in three simultaneous states shows that we shouldn't be counting those big states in McCain's column quite yet:

  • Florida: Obama edges McCain 47 - 43 percent

  • Ohio: Obama tops McCain 48 - 42 percent

  • Pennsylvania: Obama leads McCain 52 - 40 percent

A couple things deeper in these numbers stick out. First, while Obama has a four-point edge in Florida, the cross-tabs show him trailing among white voters to McCain 50 - 40 percent, and winning black voters back Obama 95 - 4 (and he gets over 90% of black voters in all three states). Obama also leads 20+ percentage points among young voters in each state.

So while there's not much headroom percentage-wise among those demographics, Obama's looking at a potentially huge yield from voter registration work.

I'll dig through more from this poll in a bit - including almost Cheney-esque approval ratings for Bush...

Update [2008-6-18 12:4:55 by Josh Orton]: The sample sizes in each state, by the way, are huge. Here's the rundown of the samples and MoE in each state:

  • 1,453 Florida likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percent

  • 1,396 Ohio likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percent

  • 1,511 Pennsylvania likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percent



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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 6)

Time to update the map :)


by Yalin on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:59:38 AM EST

Funny, I went right to the map too. (2.00 / 5)

Couldn't help but thinking the southward spread of blue on the electoral map is the Dem version of trickle down theory.  We'll trickle that blue paint right down to FL. ;)


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:02:33 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 7)

Quick ... someone get Jerome a fainting couch    ;-)


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:10:21 PM EST
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It won't last. Obama is just a trend (2.00 / 6)

Like rock and roll or the automobile.  


by Sun Dog on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:44:19 PM EST
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Re: It won't last. Obama is just a trend (2.00 / 1)

LOL


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:56:18 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 1)

Done.


by Josh Orton on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:55:02 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 1)

If Obama stands to gain from more registrations, we need to have plenty of people on the ready to combat dropping those voters from the registry. They will do it and do it without thinking.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:09:04 PM EST

Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 2)

November is gonna rock.

January will be even better.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:09:16 PM EST

Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (none / 0)

Hmm, I wonder what the weighting is like for the demographics.

Are they over-stating youth vote? It's significantly larger but still less than 15%.


by MNPundit on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:12:37 PM EST

Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 1)

It will be very high this year.

Look at the numbers from CNN's Exit Polls (pdf) where 18-29 year old turnout was as high as 22 percent of the turnout from the Dems...

I agree 15 percent might be a little high when you factor in the Republicans, but not THAT high.


New Mexico politics from the local perspective.
by fbihop on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:23:00 PM EST
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I still think Florida will be tough (2.00 / 2)

But the thing I really like is Obama's competitiveness in NC, VA and TX. Putting McCain on defense in these State's will burn through his limited matched funding.

And I'm really optimistic about Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada.


by johnnyappleseed on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:19:31 PM EST

Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (none / 0)

I realize this is probably pretty close to Obama's high-water mark.  You know, unity bounce and all that.

But that makes me wonder, where was McCain's unity bounce?  I don't remember him ever being more than about even with Clinton and/or Obama?  Was that his high water mark?  I find that hard to believe.  Maybe we'll find out what his high water mark is after the Republican convention.  That is, if we can ever get the "boys" out of the restroom in the Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport.


by the mollusk on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:20:04 PM EST

Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 2)

For all the media (and MyDD diarist) concerns about PUMA, we have to remember -- many of the GOP rank and file NEVER liked McCain.


New Mexico politics from the local perspective.
by fbihop on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:23:49 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (none / 0)

I guess in order to get a unity bounce you need to be a candidate. As Bay Buchanan aptly put it:

"... in reality there is only one candidate.  Barack Obama.  In November he will win or he will lose. John McCain is relevant only in so far as he is not Barack Obama."

In other words McCain is the default. And a default doesn't get a unity bounce, seemingly.


by french imp on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:26:47 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (none / 0)

"I realize this is probably pretty close to Obama's high-water mark.  You know, unity bounce and all that."

Maybe woyuld be a better choice of word thanprobably.

Obama's stock has been consistently undervalued by too many.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:33:49 PM EST
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Obama is going to get a big convention bounce (none / 0)

Obama can give a speech, make no doubt about that. Compare that to McCain who is even money right now to make a major flub in his acceptance speech. McCain simply is horrible at reading off the teleprompter, and he is going to have to read off one for a solid 45-minutes at the GOP convention. They will have to shut McCain down for a

And the conventions will be the real time for comparison between the candidates images. Obama is going to win that battle going away.


by johnnyappleseed on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:55:08 PM EST
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Re: Obama is going to get a big convention bounce (none / 0)

Based on what we've seen from both candidates and their campaigns, I don't see how Obama can lose to McFeeble.

And I don't see how it will be anything but a historic rout for Obama and the entire Democratic Party at every level of government.

But then, my guess is worth no more than any other.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:02:52 PM EST
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Re: Obama is going to get a big convention bounce (2.00 / 1)

I felt the same way about Gore in 2000.  Obviously, very different campaigns/world situations.

But, but....  Gore was killing it and then he started sighing in the debates....

I think Obama wins, but it is a long time til November.


It's just the beat of time, the beat that must go on
If you've been trying for years, we already heard your song
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:00:24 PM EST
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High water mark? (2.00 / 3)

Seriously?  Where is McCain going to start cutting into Obama's numbers?  Clinton voters are still in the process of moving to the nominee and that will continue through the convention.  McCain has to act like Bush to try to win over the 30% of numbskulls who still like him and make up a big chunk of the GOP base.  As he does that, Obama just keeps picking up more independents.

You're confused maybe from the spin during the primaries.  The Clinton campaign used the timing of the races in Appalachia to create an appearance of a trend away from Obama.  It made sense to do that because she was trying to sell the idea to the supers that she was a stronger candidate.  But the trend from the Iowa campaiagn on was always towards Obama.  He had to overcome huge double digit deficits almost everywhere to win the nomination.  

The more the electorate actually gets to know Obama, the better he tends to do.  He won Iowa because it was a year long campaign in front of a small group of voters.  It proved a microcosm of how the whole primary race would go and there is little indication beyond Jerome's apparent wishful thinking that the trend will continue through the general election.  


by Sun Dog on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:52:39 PM EST
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Re: High water mark? (none / 0)

McCain's best hopes would be getting Evangelicals backing him in massive numbers. He does have an upside on this voting bloc.

and although this strategy will surely turn away some independents, its his best hope.


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by alex100 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:44:10 PM EST
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An upside? (2.00 / 1)

Because the Bushies made their bed so snugly with the religious zealots, they've become a major foundation block for any GOP hopeful.  McCain has never been very popular with that crew.  And Obama is really good at talking to those folks and appealing to the better angels of their nature.  

If you're Christian, don't you care about helping the less fortunate?  Don't you believe in avoiding war?  For many, those issues actually can outweigh abortion prohibition which is a huge part of the GOP sell with them.  Obama wrote about it a long time ago; talking through the past expectations in order for progressive Democrats to reach more evangelicals in those places where our values intersect.  


by Sun Dog on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:32:47 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 1)

If you look at the internals, McCain is actually doing quite well with Republicans- often with about 87 voting for him, and 7 percent voting for Obama (for Democrats and Obama, its often about 82% loyal, and about 13% defecting to McCain).

One of the reasons is that there are simply less Republicans (and more Democrats) than there were in 2004.  

Good stuff, because it means that Obama has room to grow.


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:32:03 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (none / 0)

Methinks these are many of a number of "Push polls".  Reminds me of the WSJ poll claiming that Latinos overwhelmingly support Obama something like 30% + over McCain.  Even Dick Morris who definitely does not love Clinton, reminded his host, before he was cut off, that Clinton won PR by 80%, and it is well known in the campaign circles that the majority of Latinos in general are usually very reluctant to support Black candidate.  So, all of a sudden they love Obama?  Hard to believe.

Anyone gong to watch the Larry Sinclair NPC interview?


by BARB on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:23:21 PM EST

Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 3)

So you're saying that all of the major polling outfits do push polls because their results don't agree with your preconceived notions about racial tensions?  Do you have any evidence for that or is it just that you want to believe?  The fact that you care what Larry "Please let me try another lie detector test and maybe I'll pass this one" Sinclair has to say raises suspicions for me.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:28:07 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 1)

Shorter Barb: Ignore the polls, listen to Dick Morris and Larry Sinclair.

Failbarb.


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:58:11 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 4)

Why would a respected polling company do a push poll six months in advance and destroy any credibility they have before the primary?

How about that Hispanic voters liked Clinton instead of that they hate black people?


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:31:11 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 4)

As you are a Nader supporter, I understand your legitimate concern that those polls do not even mention your candidate. I respect your concern.
I understand that an Obama victory would be yet another major personal disappointment for you at this stage.

Perhaps a shift in viewpoint could help. For instance, if you could somehow bring yourself to consider that an Obama victory might be a positive thing, then life would probably seem brighter...


by french imp on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:37:23 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 1)

There are still Nader supporters?


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:00:11 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 4)

I don't think you understand what a push poll is.


by Josh Orton on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:44:27 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 2)

It's not when you make up whatever numbers you want to foil the hopes and dreams of those who want Obama to lose?


by JoeW on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:06:04 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (none / 0)

Not last I checked, no.


by Josh Orton on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:19:23 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 1)

I guess to Barb's definition, the new ARG poll that has Obama up 5 in Florida (49-44) is also a push poll.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:33:03 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 2)

Ha ha ha, BARB. Good try.

Why is it so hard to believe that Latinos would love Hillary, but lacking her as an option, would go instead to Obama instead of to the party that wants to build a wall around the U.S. and send illegal immigrants to jail?


by JoeW on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:04:35 PM EST
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I guess us Hispanics are all racists (2.00 / 2)

who won't vote for a black man.

Oh, except that in New Mexico, where we have the highest percentage of registered Hispanic voters of any state in the nation, Obama is tied or nine points ahead of McCain, depending on if you believe SurveyUSA or Rasmussen's polling.

And our Hispanic governor (Richardson) backed Obama.  And rank and file Hispanic Democrats are behind Obama.  I really wish this whole "brown people are racist!" meme would die since there is NO evidence for it.  At all.


New Mexico politics from the local perspective.
by fbihop on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:17:51 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 2)

As a Latino I can tell you that Latinos were mobalized a few years back over immigration policy proposed by Republicans. That has never been forgotten. Any good will the GOP had with the Latino community was demolished.

I attended the first such immigration march in Chicago ('06?). Besides the main message of immigrant rights and the positive aspects that immigrants play in this nation of ours, Democratic institutions and leaders were readily deployed to assist the marchers (and their message).

Not a single Republican.

If you truly believe that Latinos will not readily vote for a black candidate you're wrong. In fact, the assertion "whites are very reluctant to support a black candidate" would be closer to the truth yet still dishonest.


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by alex100 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:02:10 PM EST
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Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 2)

As a Latino I did personally experience a bit of resistance towards Obama in my community, but this was only because of the Clinton "brand" and had nothing to do with race.

I keep reading about Latino-Black race issues, but to be perfectly honest, I have never personally experienced this in my family, my community or otherwise.

I do believe that racial tensions exist and will not deny that, but to say that Latinos will not go out and vote for Obama because he is black is nonsense.

My entire family as well as all my friends and colleagues, the majority of whom are Latinos, are all voting for Obama this November and not once, even during the primaries, did I ever hear one of them say "I'm not voting for the black man"

So I, too, sincerely hope that this nonsense is swept aside and we can focus on what really matters.


by mukloidy on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:04:32 PM EST
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map on the left is quite blue (none / 0)

november cannot come soon enough.  Longest June ever


by ab03 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:03:33 PM EST

Re: Q-Poll: Obama Leads In FL, OH, PA (2.00 / 2)

First, this race has to tighten.  So let's keep fighting like we're 3 points down.

I'm doing voter registration this weekend (3rd weekend in a row), even though I'm here in California where we should be safe.  Assume nothing.

I say all this while trying to fight down giddiness.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:56:40 PM EST

Landslide in the making? (none / 0)

You're right that we have to keep fighting, keep registering folks, take nothing for granted.

But this is beginning to smell like an electoral landslide to me.


by JD Lasica on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:37:35 PM EST


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